TRS Radio ep 97

wchevron · February 2017

If you wanted to take it to the next level, you could have your melatonin independently tested to assure it's clean. Not sure of the cost but it if you got popped in the future and the problem was tainted melatonin, at least you could fall back on your independent testing to show you had tested the product previously, it was clean, so you continued using it and the problem falls squarely on the manufacturers production quality control.
If Beth and Lauren had done something like this, they probably could have avoided suspension.

idking90 · February 2017

@wchevron Not sure that would do much. For a proper defense using a tainted supplement, unless you could prove every lot ever from the manufacturer was tainted, you'd still need to be able to test an untampered sample from the same lot as whatever you ingested. At least that's what would make sense to me.
Personally, I don't race long or have any sponsorship whatsoever, so my need for supplementation is non-existent aside from occasionally forcing myself to go to bed early even when my body doesn't want to (hence the melatonin).

wchevron · February 2017

I would think if you had a sample tested when you began using a new supplement and it came back clean, it would give you some standing if you got busted in the future and it turned out a future lot was tainted. At least a pro could go to wada or usada and say, I wanted to use this supplement, I had it tested, it came back clean so I've been using it for X years. At least an effort was made to determine the supplement was clean before they began using it. I think it gives a stronger argument then after the fact someone saying, Well I assumed it was clean.

ItsShug · February 2017

idking90 said:

Regardless of my incentive, the risk of a failed test is arguably greater. I suspect that I am one of VERY few elite license holding triathletes who has to maintain a security clearance. While a doping conviction in the United States is not a criminal conviction, or even a civil legal action, I'm honestly not sure it would be a particularly favorable item to uncover in any investigation to renew and/or upgrade my clearance.

I went in on drug waivers and held a top secret for 6 years. maybe its different now, idk. I don't blame you for steering clear of it though.

idking90 · February 2017

@ItsShug waivers to get in is one thing, that's forgiving past mistakes (because denying everybody who smoked pot in high school would be INSANE). However, I can't see any tolerance once you're in, certainly on active duty (maybe civil service or contractors could survive it; I don't know). It's pretty cut and dry that a single drug incident is cause for separation for me, so I'd be out and would have a hell of a time finding private sector employment with that on my DD-214 as well.

ItsShug · February 2017

you know whats crazy. some how the northrup grumman ship yards in Virginia have their union contract spelled out that they can't be drug tested. you'd go out side the gate at lunch time and all the shipyard bubbas would be lit up out in their cars over the lunch break. it was nuts.

wchevron · February 2017

ItsShug said:
you know whats crazy. some how the northrup grumman ship yards in Virginia have their union contract spelled out that they can't be drug tested. you'd go out side the gate at lunch time and all the shipyard bubbas would be lit up out in their cars over the lunch break. it was nuts.

Sounds like the deal Lance Armstrong had with WTC. Win an Ironman and don't get drug tested but 2nd-5th place will.

ItsShug · February 2017

dude its crazy, you'll see guys in charge of nuclear refuel sitting out in there bmw 5 series hard hat on smoking a bowl.

Aaron Webstey · February 2017

ItsShug said:
dude its crazy, you'll see guys in charge of nuclear refuel sitting out in there bmw 5 series hard hat on smoking a bowl.

That paints a very weird picture that might warrant a movie.

Hensatc · February 2017

idking90 said:

3) Switching my brand of melatonin to something that meets a much, much, much higher, external standard for quality control, as as opposed to a mostly in-house standard. I will have to order it online rather than buy it at the grocery store, but hey...that's what Webstey's Amazon link is for, right?

Not sure where you are stationed but every MTF I have worked at has had melatonin on formulary. Which would get you 2 benefits, 1 it'd be free (although minimal as time is money and well...) and 2 you have a Mil Pharm standing behind the product as clean and record that it was an approved supplement.

As far as PEDs and clearance... seems it would depend on the specific drug and the exact program. Anabolics are a pretty strict no-go if you are caught but doesnt feel like anyone looks too hard (as far as I can see) in the combat arms. more subtle stuff would likely be more a question of judgement and or conduct unbecoming v directly violating the law (but im guessing you had that figured already

) ... could always just wait and be like every other 35yo jacakss and go ask your doc for fortesta cause you are tired and cant get it up at the thought of linoleum like you could when you were 17.

Tad_M · February 2017

These marketing ideas suck. Anyone in this room have a good one before we close this meeting out.
"Yes, I have one", "I know we take pride in making clean and honest products, but if we taint some Neurolytes, and get a winning athlete busted, all the age groupers will buy the shit out of this stuff. We wont be able to keep it in stock"
Hmmm, that's compelling. Put together a proposal. Oh, and make sure you find some athlete we aren't currently under contract with. I like our gang. Oh, use that Ostatine stuff that we're sourcing separately for our girls.
"Sir, it's Ostarine"
Whatever. Meeting adjourned.

Margarritta · May 2017

Put them in a container, sealed it, labeled the container with the supplement info, lot number, sku number, date and sent that to their attorney for safe keeping. If a pro was taking supplements, wouldn't it be a good idea if with every bottle, packet, etc. they removed a couple of pills, scoops of powder. Or their manager or just kept it in a closet.

Tad_M · December 2017

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/sports-business/2017/12/05/ironman-winner-sues-texas-supplement-maker-claiming-products-cost-title

In Dallas news report.
Devastating in many ways for Lauren to go through this. Legal battles are so stressful and costly, not just in the monetary sense.
I don't profess to know any facts, and we've seen lots of reaction from the community, but I can't see how a victory here will net her financial recovery. It goes a long way in clearing her name if the facts are brought forth, and this carries great value. I can't imagine this company will have any attachable assets (since most companies use shrewd techniques to hide and isolate all profits and assets for this very reason)

wchevron · December 2017

Maybe she should start a Go Fund Me to pay for her legal fees.

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